Possible New Broker Bill To Stop Bad Brokers - Page 2

Dorsey · 06-22-2010, 07:13 PM

Tom,

Brokers(alot anyways) have to be making eqaul or more than the truck is making. The rates are all over the place from even the same brokers. Sometimes if a car sits long enough the price will raise up quite abit. Where did that money come from? I'm not trying to argue with you. Maybe you aren't one of them that trys to get carriers to move cars for half of what you qouted. Most of the cars on central are way too cheap to think about moving. I'm curious on your opinion on why rates are all over the place.

dave7245 · 06-23-2010, 07:22 AM

Dorsey......I can offer my opinion. Im sure youre thrilled

I have a lot of clients that don't ask me for prices. They send me cars and I tell them what it costs after I get it booked. I start low and raise my prices until it gets moved. I don't think I start at anything embarassing, but my job is to get the best deal for my clients yet pay enough to make sure I'm not using someone with shitty equipment. The fact that so many guys do move stuff for stupid low prices does hurt my business too. A dealer gets something moved for ridiculously cheap, then they expect it every time and I can't get their business. I think the best way to get guys to stop underpaying is for EVERYONE to quit taking the loads.

SharpAutoTransport · 06-23-2010, 08:57 AM

Dorsey,

Their can be a few reasons. One is exactly what you said, they had the money the whole time.

Another reason is upselling. They will go back to their customer for more money. What some brokers will do (NOT ME) is quote lowball to get the deposit on credit card. When the vehicle doesn't move for lowball minus the deposit they took, they upsell. SOME brokers will do all they can to hold the customer hostage for their deposit for the upsell.

Also keep in mind that there are a TON of brokers out there that the good brokers (I hope I'm one) have to compete with. If I quote $550 and the person gets 5 quotes between $350 and $450, what am I supposed to do?

Just yesterday I quoted $1200 for an enclosed M3 Palm Beach to CT. He said he got a quote for $900. I basically said "thanks for calling."

You tell me. Should I have matched and posted for $850? In my view, the $50 isn't worth the time and the aggravation of this guy calling every second bitching that it wasn't on the road already because it's underpriced and not moving. On top of that, if he didn't want to pay COD and wanted to put the whole amount on his credit card (some people do this), I would have cleared about $30 after credit card fees. If a truck needed quickpay or 5 day pay, even less. SO not worth it.

Not all moves under-posted are nefarious. Some, maybe even most, but not all.

ccoop769 · 06-23-2010, 09:19 AM

Not to mention www.transportreviews.com and the other websites out there for feedback. dont move a car, get a crappy review. prolly doesnt matter though, 95% of shippers prolly dont even know about them feedback sites or proper use of google search.

justsomeguy · 06-23-2010, 05:11 PM

AS a broker I agree with every comment because I've seen my employer do just that - close two doors and open up two new ones, all the while screwing carriers out of thousands of dollars.

I am seriously learning all I need to know about opening my own office so I can still work with the dealers I've built good relationships with. And as somebody who works the right way, I am all for raising the bonds, placing stricter regulations on brokerage firms, and accountability beyond civil court for those crooks who decide they don't have to pay (for FULL rendered services - there are bad guys on both sides of the plate).

Dorsey · 06-23-2010, 06:50 PM

Thanks Dave and Tom for the info.

Tosch88 · 06-23-2010, 07:08 PM

I agree with Dorsey, excellent info. I like the fact that there are Brokers willing to talk about there side of the biz.

TrueTransport · 06-29-2010, 09:11 AM

I been in transportation since 95 96 and I get out on different boards and this is a subject that has been beat to death and Ive done my share of beating myself over the years.

The only way to regulate the brokers is to stop taking cheap loads from them, its that simple. There dont need to be a new law to regulate them, the last thing we need is for the law makers to be any more involved in this industry than they already are, hell they are the problem.

The very one we run to to get help are the ones that stand to make the most off of the new law we want made, why do you think there so willing to help with the problem, it just like the local car lot that has 50 cars to move and no one to do it, then they come running to you for help and you say sure we will be glad to help with that and shake there hand and smile. (All the way to the bank)

The law makers that are so willing to help are the ones that have strong ties in the insurance field and they will be glad to help double there bill you owe them every month or if you are in oil you will be glad to help the epa create new laws on engines that will lower the fuel milage 1-2 miles a gallon.

Just like panning for gold if you find a nugget in one spot in the creek then you will have the whole place dug up looking for more. I think before we jump on the band wagon step back and look at the big picture and the long term not just short term gain because thats all this will be short term. If the law makers can find another million from the brokers then they will dig around until they find a million from the trucking companys to, we are all in the same boat, its a multi billion dollar boat with plenty of empty spots for more passengers to come take a ride.

It pains me to look like Im taking up for some of the POS brokers out there and the only way I feel they can be handled is to not mess with there cheap shit, if they cant get it moved then the customer will go to another broker, it just may be one that tells them they have to pay a fair rate to get it moved or it will sit there until they do. Just the other day I had a customer call that had a car to move and had been down the cheap broker road and we wasn't in that area but we told them we would list it on CD for them and gave them a price they didn't like the price, but we told them if they want it moved in a timely manner then that was going to be the price range to get it done, after an hour on the board it was loaded on a trailer headed to them and there happy now.

This is a service industry, if you can service the customer and get it to them in a timely manner then you have there work, that goes for brokers and trucking companys and if you can't then they will find someone who can, we as trucking companys don't need to help the cheap brokers move there freight, that will force the customer to find a trucking or broker company that can. We need not look to Washington to help us out, hell they are the reason we have most of the problems weve got.

Car Hauler · 08-10-2010, 12:08 AM

Yeh this legislation will also weed out a lot of good brokers too. There is alot more problems this will create than it will solve. Like BIG BROKER BROTHER for one.... How about a law like make all freight COD. Why not, I gotta pay cash or credit card for my insurance, taxes, licenses, fuel, oil, tires, tolls, cell phone, food, motels etc...Everybody else gets their money on delivery... WE should all just pay as we go. They go to the restraunt, they pay the bill...they go to the motel, they pay the bill. They ship a car at my expense and don't pay for a month. WEIRD

06-22-2010, 07:13 PM	#11
Dorsey Verified Carrier Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 240	Tom, Brokers(alot anyways) have to be making eqaul or more than the truck is making. The rates are all over the place from even the same brokers. Sometimes if a car sits long enough the price will raise up quite abit. Where did that money come from? I'm not trying to argue with you. Maybe you aren't one of them that trys to get carriers to move cars for half of what you qouted. Most of the cars on central are way too cheap to think about moving. I'm curious on your opinion on why rates are all over the place. Last edited by Dorsey; 06-22-2010 at 07:21 PM.

06-29-2010, 09:11 AM	#18
TrueTransport Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 7	We need more laws I been in transportation since 95 96 and I get out on different boards and this is a subject that has been beat to death and Ive done my share of beating myself over the years. The only way to regulate the brokers is to stop taking cheap loads from them, its that simple. There dont need to be a new law to regulate them, the last thing we need is for the law makers to be any more involved in this industry than they already are, hell they are the problem. The very one we run to to get help are the ones that stand to make the most off of the new law we want made, why do you think there so willing to help with the problem, it just like the local car lot that has 50 cars to move and no one to do it, then they come running to you for help and you say sure we will be glad to help with that and shake there hand and smile. (All the way to the bank) The law makers that are so willing to help are the ones that have strong ties in the insurance field and they will be glad to help double there bill you owe them every month or if you are in oil you will be glad to help the epa create new laws on engines that will lower the fuel milage 1-2 miles a gallon. Just like panning for gold if you find a nugget in one spot in the creek then you will have the whole place dug up looking for more. I think before we jump on the band wagon step back and look at the big picture and the long term not just short term gain because thats all this will be short term. If the law makers can find another million from the brokers then they will dig around until they find a million from the trucking companys to, we are all in the same boat, its a multi billion dollar boat with plenty of empty spots for more passengers to come take a ride. It pains me to look like Im taking up for some of the POS brokers out there and the only way I feel they can be handled is to not mess with there cheap shit, if they cant get it moved then the customer will go to another broker, it just may be one that tells them they have to pay a fair rate to get it moved or it will sit there until they do. Just the other day I had a customer call that had a car to move and had been down the cheap broker road and we wasn't in that area but we told them we would list it on CD for them and gave them a price they didn't like the price, but we told them if they want it moved in a timely manner then that was going to be the price range to get it done, after an hour on the board it was loaded on a trailer headed to them and there happy now. This is a service industry, if you can service the customer and get it to them in a timely manner then you have there work, that goes for brokers and trucking companys and if you can't then they will find someone who can, we as trucking companys don't need to help the cheap brokers move there freight, that will force the customer to find a trucking or broker company that can. We need not look to Washington to help us out, hell they are the reason we have most of the problems weve got.

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06-23-2010, 07:22 AM	#12
dave7245 Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 17	Dorsey......I can offer my opinion. Im sure youre thrilled I have a lot of clients that don't ask me for prices. They send me cars and I tell them what it costs after I get it booked. I start low and raise my prices until it gets moved. I don't think I start at anything embarassing, but my job is to get the best deal for my clients yet pay enough to make sure I'm not using someone with shitty equipment. The fact that so many guys do move stuff for stupid low prices does hurt my business too. A dealer gets something moved for ridiculously cheap, then they expect it every time and I can't get their business. I think the best way to get guys to stop underpaying is for EVERYONE to quit taking the loads.

06-23-2010, 08:57 AM	#13
SharpAutoTransport Verified Broker Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 17	Dorsey, Their can be a few reasons. One is exactly what you said, they had the money the whole time. Another reason is upselling. They will go back to their customer for more money. What some brokers will do (NOT ME) is quote lowball to get the deposit on credit card. When the vehicle doesn't move for lowball minus the deposit they took, they upsell. SOME brokers will do all they can to hold the customer hostage for their deposit for the upsell. Also keep in mind that there are a TON of brokers out there that the good brokers (I hope I'm one) have to compete with. If I quote $550 and the person gets 5 quotes between $350 and $450, what am I supposed to do? Just yesterday I quoted $1200 for an enclosed M3 Palm Beach to CT. He said he got a quote for $900. I basically said "thanks for calling." You tell me. Should I have matched and posted for $850? In my view, the $50 isn't worth the time and the aggravation of this guy calling every second bitching that it wasn't on the road already because it's underpriced and not moving. On top of that, if he didn't want to pay COD and wanted to put the whole amount on his credit card (some people do this), I would have cleared about $30 after credit card fees. If a truck needed quickpay or 5 day pay, even less. SO not worth it. Not all moves under-posted are nefarious. Some, maybe even most, but not all.

06-23-2010, 05:11 PM	#15
justsomeguy Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 10	AS a broker I agree with every comment because I've seen my employer do just that - close two doors and open up two new ones, all the while screwing carriers out of thousands of dollars. I am seriously learning all I need to know about opening my own office so I can still work with the dealers I've built good relationships with. And as somebody who works the right way, I am all for raising the bonds, placing stricter regulations on brokerage firms, and accountability beyond civil court for those crooks who decide they don't have to pay (for FULL rendered services - there are bad guys on both sides of the plate).

06-23-2010, 06:50 PM	#16
Dorsey Verified Carrier Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 240	Thanks Dave and Tom for the info.

06-23-2010, 07:08 PM	#17
Tosch88 Verified Carrier Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Michigan Posts: 178	I agree with Dorsey, excellent info. I like the fact that there are Brokers willing to talk about there side of the biz.