Cat C-10

[smr500]

Do any of you have any experience or opinions on the Cat C-10 engine? I have found a couple decent priced s/a semis with it in them . Is it basically a smaller version of the C-12? Reliability, longevity, mpg, etc.

[bth9461]

Do any of you have any experience or opinions on the Cat C-10 engine? I have found a couple decent priced s/a semis with it in them . Is it basically a smaller version of the C-12? Reliability, longevity, mpg, etc.

That is a rare engine, I have seen a few in Expediter trucks. I heard they get great MPG in that app. I would go to Expediter.com and ask those guys. I would think in any 54k or less operation it might be a good engine, especially if your average weight was under 48k. I would really pursue more info on that engine.

Brian

[LBZ]

Little grenade motor is what I was told about them. Thinking it will be too small for what you want to do with it & if you are going with a larger truck you will have a harder time selling it at any point with a 10 liter.

I used to think it was the Billy Big Rigger sort who had to have more power & more gears along with a train horn. Well maybe the train horn is apart of that, but definitely go for a 12-13 or 15 liter if going with CAT.

For what it is worth, hear the same complaints about the old Cummins M11, the smaller 11 liter Detroit & think Volvo had a smaller motor than the relatively current D12.

[smr500]

Agreed. Usually when you don't see many of a particuliar engine there is a reason why. Thanks for the opinions.

[bth9461]

Agreed. Usually when you don't see many of a particuliar engine there is a reason why. Thanks for the opinions.

Special purpose motor I guess, the only OTR op I saw that in, is the Expediters. Did these trucks have Sleepers with a 5er?

How much total Gross weight to you plan to plate for and what Average weight do you expect to run at?

[smr500]

Yes, 2 freightliners and a Kenworth. They don't look to be converted expeditors. Trucks in my area are priced high compared to other parts of the country. That's NE for ya. Thunder Vally Truck sales in Wisner, NE has 1 of these T-800's left. Started with 3. Detroit 12.7, sleepers are integrated, 10 spds. The one left is teal in color, not too crazy about that. They were used by a drain tile manufacturer (agricultural) to haul their products. Light loads, asking 18k. The owner used this one to pull his toy hauler on weekends until it sold

[LBZ]

If you want to talk to the people who run those trucks direct, call here

Den Hartog Industries
Tally Curry
Truck/Trailer is located in:
Hospers, Iowa
Phone: (712)752-8432

http://www.truckpaper.com/listingsdetail/detail.aspx?OHID=2442503

Have seen their trucks running down the road & they do run light weight materials. Just never could get my mind around giving $18,000 or more to Thunder Valley. Stared at the same truck you posted up for a long time last year.

[smr500]

Thanks Brad. I will check it out. This is a perfect example of why I love this forum! I have been eyeballin' that one in the link above for a month or so now. I'm not sure about a Super 10, I've never drove one and have heard mixed reviews. They just turn these trucks over after so many miles or cannot depreciate any more? Posted with 1 mile....?? I will call next week

[bth9461]

On the Super 10 I test drove one, I think they are ok. Drivers either love them or hate them. The 9/10 gear is like a Auto-shift you just flip the shift switch. Nice for a quick hill climb. What guys don't like is having to use that switch to go up every other gear. I have a buddy that loves that tranny though and he would spec it on a truck. Personal preference, expect to spend some time learning it though.

I would be more concerned about the 3.70 gear, I would rather have a 3.24 to 3.55, for speed and fuel economy. I would not drive this faster than 60 MPH, if you want ok MPG.

Brad what gear is your C12?

[Dorsey]

My uncle has a super 10 in his Pete and has had no complaints out of it. I drove it once and from what I remember I liked it. My truck gets 9 mpg and has a 3.90 rear end. It got 9.5 last quarter on IFTA but I'll say it gets 9 for sure. I don't think I would want lower gears in the rear. Maybe if it had more power I'd want lower gears but it only has 355 hp. With that 12.7 i'm thinking it would get maybe 1 mpg better than my truck. Just guessing. That's a nice looking truck from the pics. Wonder what the miles are? If I were you Shane I'd definitly give that truck some serious thought. If I were going to haul cars with it I'd probally take the headache rack off and sell it. The storage box on the side I think you should take off and give to me.j/k Theres never to much storage space.

[haulin rv]

Looks like that could be a nice ride! But one fuel tank?

[smr500]

I noticed that too. I'm not sure I like the weed burner exhaust either. I think the rear gear is ok. Damn Tim, that is good mileage. Especialy with a bigger engine like yours.

[Dorsey]

You can add another fuel tank and do what you wish with the exhaust. That stuffs no big deal. If it's a good solid truck and the price is right I'd take it. From what Brad wrote that truck has had an easy life with the light loads. Only thing I don't like is the color but that doesn't matter at the end of the day.

I think Pmjarrett( I'm sure I got that wrong) said he was getting 12-13 mpg with that big kitty cat. I'm pretty sure I remember that anyways.

[bth9461]

My uncle has a super 10 in his Pete and has had no complaints out of it. I drove it once and from what I remember I liked it. My truck gets 9 mpg and has a 3.90 rear end. It got 9.5 last quarter on IFTA but I'll say it gets 9 for sure. I don't think I would want lower gears in the rear. Maybe if it had more power I'd want lower gears but it only has 355 hp. With that 12.7 i'm thinking it would get maybe 1 mpg better than my truck. Just guessing. That's a nice looking truck from the pics. Wonder what the miles are? If I were you Shane I'd definitly give that truck some serious thought. If I were going to haul cars with it I'd probally take the headache rack off and sell it. The storage box on the side I think you should take off and give to me.j/k Theres never to much storage space.

It will do fine, but that gearing just does not make sense in a big truck. The Hp on that motor has been turned down. Most 80k guys running over the road seem to like 3.50's or 3.42 gears in the OD tranny. Direct drive guys run 2.64. I just think to max MPG he will need to run 60 MPH with it.

By the way I doubt the 12.7 will get better MPG than the 11.1 in a 54k operation or better. For light loads that Det 11.1 is known to be a mizer. And from what I am hearing the hold up just as well.

This does look like a good truck though, most are not perfect.

If I could buy a different truck I would look for a Detoit 11.1 for 54k or less and change gears after runing it if I thought it needed it.

[Tosch88]

Shane the 3.70 gear with 22.5's is perfect for a Det60 with a super ten. That is my exact set up on my current truck. Although its a twin screw & much heavier then the truck your looking at. Do not get anything less then a 3.70 gear in a 12.7. These motors hate to be lugged. Anything under 1350 & they're a dog. My truck gets best mpg at 1450 which is 64 on the gps. I avg a solid 7.9 grossing 50k most of the time this includes the hills. That truck is spec'ed perfect for under 54. You will probably avg 9.5 to 10 depending on how fast you drive. I'm changing my truck to a single axle soon to gain mpg, save weight save on tolls. I hope to gain. 5 mpg or more from doing this. Super tens are okay for under 54 but anything more you'd want a big cat in front of it because of the split delay. It'd take a 13 speed any day with my truck & she'd be rockin. Okay, maybe not, but it would be a big improvement.

[bth9461]

Shane the 3.70 gear with 22.5's is perfect for a Det60 with a super ten. That is my exact set up on my current truck. Although its a twin screw & much heavier then the truck your looking at. Do not get anything less then a 3.70 gear in a 12.7. These motors hate to be lugged. Anything under 1350 & they're a dog. My truck gets best mpg at 1450 which is 64 on the gps. I avg a solid 7.9 grossing 50k most of the time this includes the hills. That truck is spec'ed perfect for under 54. You will probably avg 9.5 to 10 depending on how fast you drive. I'm changing my truck to a single axle soon to gain mpg, save weight save on tolls. I hope to gain. 5 mpg or more from doing this. Super tens are okay for under 54 but anything more you'd want a big cat in front of it because of the split delay. It'd take a 13 speed any day with my truck & she'd be rockin. Okay, maybe not, but it would be a big improvement.

Tosch why do so many 80k guys run 3.42/3.55?

[Tosch88]

Depends what year truck, hp rating, tq rating, program in the ecu. My truck makes peak tq at 1350 on the dyno. Most diesel engines will achieve best economy 50 to 100 rpms above peak tq. Lugging a motor all day at peak tq will eventually cause damage, just ask Swift. Maybe its different for others, I can only speak from exp & research. The question would be how many O/O spec there trucks to cruise at peak tq. My guess would be, not many. We dyno a lot of small motors & you'd be surprised how much more fuel is required @ peak tq to not detonate compared to a couple hundred more rpms. On turbocharged gas engines it isn't uncommon to run 10% more injector duty rate through peak tq. Diesel are more tolerant though but show it on the egts.

[smr500]

Thanks guys. I called them and the above truck is sold. They have an '03 with 1,085,000 miles. They spec them all the same just different colors. Oil changes every 12k, comes with all maintenance records. Average weight pulled is 35k-40k. Not heavy loads, but a lot of drag. Truck averaged 7.5mpg pulling these loads. Miles are a bit scary. He said if I come in with $12k I would own it (the gold one). http://www.denhartogindustries.com/used-trucks-equipment/

attached is service history. Should i not even bother with these kind of miles? Gut is telling not to

http://www.autoexpeditor.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=305&stc=1&d=1285187778

[smr500]

Credit Union won't loan me the money on the above truck due to it being commercial. They loaned me $10k on a Yamaha Rhino, and will loan me up to 50k on a RV, WTF. I don't really want to buy another Dodge for 35-45k when I can get a class 7/8 for way less with more room and longevity. I only wanted to borrow 11k...stupid

Get this...they said they would finance this repoed Volvo semi though ...hypocritical retards https://www.libertyfirstcu.com/asp/services/service_3_5.asp

[LBZ]

Get this...they said they would finance this repoed Volvo semi though ...hypocritical retards https://www.libertyfirstcu.com/asp/services/service_3_5.asp

Because they own it, they are not out anything or not in a different position if you default on the loan.

Those million mile trucks look really nice & you probably would not have a major problem for awhile. However, everything else on those trucks is well used from rears, front suspension, HVAC stuff & what not. Thinking the only way to get one of those is if you had $25k cash & could stash away the other $12-$13k for whatever repairs. But even trucks with 4-600,000 will need some repairs & those odds 'n ends can add up.

[Dorsey]

Tell them your buying an RV. You can have a semi registered as an RV. I doubt it would work out though. Just throwing the idea out there.

[smr500]

Yes, I understand they will finance it because they now own it and their position is different. My point is that they loaned on it originally, I thought that was funny when now they say no due to it being a commercial truck. This truck is probably a reason they don't want to loan on any others lol. No worries, I have a couple other banks I work with, the credit union is usually just easier to work with and has good rates. Not in a huge hurry, have some debt I want to pay off and winter is knocking on the door. I thought the price was right on these, that is why I inquired. Brad, is your setup still for sale? Thanks for the input guys.