Single Axles

[BRANTLEYTRANSPORT]

Looking to upgrade to a single axle truck. Looking at a few Volvo's and Frieghtliners. Cummins or Detroit only. Currently pulling a 3/4 car wedge. Looking to upgrade to a sun-country 4 car within the next 3-4 months. Opinions PLEASE!!
http://www.truckpaper.com/listingsdetail/detail.aspx?OHID=2973093&dlr=1&pcid=2000746045
http://www.truckpaper.com/listingsdetail/detail.aspx?OHID=2533875&dlr=1&pcid=2000746045
http://www.truckpaper.com/listingsdetail/detail.aspx?OHID=2766966&
http://www.truckpaper.com/listingsdetail/detail.aspx?OHID=2917869&

[Dorsey]

You know........ a CAT will get good fuel milage also. Just figured I'd throw that in there if fuel milage was the reason.

[haulin rv]

I sure like the look of the Coronado's, but man the sure seem to retain there value.


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[smr500]

These are too expensive. Poor mpg and expensive keep on the road with the check engine light coming on all the time with the egr cooking it up. You can find a nice pre-emissions s/a for under $10k. This is just my opinion of course.

[h2oskibumz]

These are too expensive. Poor mpg and expensive keep on the road with the check engine light coming on all the time with the egr cooking it up. You can find a nice pre-emissions s/a for under $10k. This is just my opinion of course.

And a good one it is... I wonder what we're all going to do when these pre EGR pre 07 emission trucks dry up... ><shudder><

[LBZ]

If you want pre EGR you need to look at 2002 & older. Some 2003's escaped the egr wrath. DPF & regen crap started in 07.

Brantley, I was anti CAT too when I started looking. Read the same poor fuel mileage posts, expensive fixes etc. on forums. Then started talking to guys who have been in business a long time & they all still love their CATs for a reason. Have a C12 on a tandem axle w/a straight ten & last qtr IFTA was 7.82 mpg running a heavy 5/6 car trailer.

I would avoid all Mercedes Volvo post 02 Mack motors as well as anything with a DPF. My opinion of the 07-10 big trucks are going to take a bath on resale, unless you can cut off the regen garbage & reprogram the ECM. The new SCR technology may have a chance on current gen regs, but need to see how it evolves over the next 5 years.

[BRANTLEYTRANSPORT]

These were just some on Truckpaper.com......Eventually Ill need a tandem w 265 wheelbase. Ive looked at cats. I tried to buy a 2005 Pete with a C12, that didnt work out. Still looking daily. Anybody have another truck website to look on.

[bayou hotshot]

The Coronado's are worth $15-$20,000 more than my truck don't know why the only reason i would like to have one is 515hp and 90% have 13 speeds

[pmmjarrett]

If you want pre EGR you need to look at 2002 & older. Some 2003's escaped the egr wrath. DPF & regen crap started in 07.

Brantley, I was anti CAT too when I started looking. Read the same poor fuel mileage posts, expensive fixes etc. on forums. Then started talking to guys who have been in business a long time & they all still love their CATs for a reason. Have a C12 on a tandem axle w/a straight ten & last qtr IFTA was 7.82 mpg running a heavy 5/6 car trailer.

I would avoid all Mercedes Volvo post 02 Mack motors as well as anything with a DPF. My opinion of the 07-10 big trucks are going to take a bath on resale, unless you can cut off the regen garbage & reprogram the ECM. The new SCR technology may have a chance on current gen regs, but need to see how it evolves over the next 5 years.

That's exactly right.

They've had a lot of egr & turbo problems with the 14 liter detroits. The Cummins ISX has fared better here.

My C12 CAT did really well on fuel on the Centuy I just sold. 13-14.5 mpg bobtail and averaged 9-11 loaded running 26k as a single axle. The 3406B models I owned years ago were not great on fuel but were flat out reliable and pulled great.

A few things to think about with any CAT is they need regular valve adjustments about every 100 - 150k or they will chuck a rocker arm in a heart beat. CAT is no longer making on highway truck engines. They stopped producing at the end of the 2007 production when the EPA'08 BS came in effect.

Another thing to consider with CAT in a Freightliner is that Freightliner dealers are getting away from having CAT mechanics, many of them will no longer work on CAT engines but service still easy to get at KW and Pete dealers as well as the many CAT truck repair shops so it's not that big of a deal.

I'd definatly buy another C12.

[LBZ]

At an old job we had GM/Detroit engine in a fertilizer delivery truck. It was rebuilt in the early nineties & that truck would flat out run. Felt more like a gasser if that makes any sense, but cannot remember the details of what it was or the truck it was in with exception to how it ran & that the brakes would throw you through the windshield.
http://www.detroitdiesel.com/about/history.aspx

If you happen to find something with a CAT C13/15(2004 & up), they are a ACERT twin turbo set up. However they do not have a egr valve to mess with/replace, so it is kind of a choose your poison mentality. Don't own a Acert, have not driven one, but have been told you have to learn to drive that motor as they spool up differently. The C12's were the last of the single turbo yellow motors.

[pmmjarrett]

At an old job we had GM/Detroit engine in a fertilizer delivery truck. It was rebuilt in the early nineties & that truck would flat out run. Felt more like a gasser if that makes any sense, but cannot remember the details of what it was or the truck it was in with exception to how it ran & that the brakes would throw you through the windshield.
http://www.detroitdiesel.com/about/history.aspx

If you happen to find something with a CAT C13/15(2004 & up), they are a ACERT twin turbo set up. However they do not have a egr valve to mess with/replace, so it is kind of a choose your poison mentality. Don't own a Acert, have not driven one, but have been told you have to learn to drive that motor as they spool up differently. The C12's were the last of the single turbo yellow motors.

That's funny, the fert delivery truck I drove in the 80's was a GM C60 with a GM 366 gasser and a 5 speed. You had to stand with both feet on the brakes so you didn't hit something and go through the windshield. Seemed like it took 5 miles to get up to 55 and then 10 miles to stop it.

CAT's ACERT approach was to lower combustion temps and use multiple injection events to reduce emmissions vs recyling exhaust with an EGR valve. I have no experience with this engine.

[LBZ]

That's funny, the fert delivery truck I drove in the 80's was a GM C60 with a GM 366 gasser and a 5 speed. You had to stand with both feet on the brakes so you didn't hit something and go through the windshield. Seemed like it took 5 miles to get up to 55 and then 10 miles to stop it.

CAT's ACERT approach was to lower combustion temps and use multiple injection events to reduce emmissions vs recyling exhaust with an EGR valve. I have no experience with this engine.

Both of our liquid trucks were that way, gassers that couldn't get out of their own way & loaded the Flintstone method was the preferred method of braking. The dry truck with the Detroit was the runner, problem was the fertilizer ate it up. Still ran awesome as everything fell off around it, including the windshield out the frame. Would not have believed it had I not seen it.

Sorry Brantley for taking the single axle thing a bit :offtopic:

[Scott D]

I wonder what we're all going to do when these pre EGR pre 07 emission trucks dry up... ><shudder><
That's why one buys a glider ;-)

[SHO-TYME]

That's funny, the fert delivery truck I drove in the 80's was a GM C60 with a GM 366 gasser and a 5 speed. You had to stand with both feet on the brakes so you didn't hit something and go through the windshield. Seemed like it took 5 miles to get up to 55 and then 10 miles to stop it.

CAT's ACERT approach was to lower combustion temps and use multiple injection events to reduce emmissions vs recyling exhaust with an EGR valve. I have no experience with this engine.
Stay away form the ACERT Cats, I'll run my 3406E till it is outlawed.



That's why one buys a glider ;-)

If you want to wait 14-16 months to get one, that's how long the waiting list is from Peterbilt.